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Subject: Picket SF org , Meeting with Quiros (repost)
From: philscott88@hotmail.com (Phil Scott)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:04:51 GMT
Message-ID: <384da06d.10964941@news.tdl.com>


I met Jeff Quirros (OSA northern calif) at the Dec 5th picket at the
SF org.  I got there at 3pm, Kristi and Peach started about 1.

I had been picketing about 3 minutes when he came out and addressed me
by name, and asked if he could take a photo.  I stood still for a
photo, he wanted both sides of my sign.  then he mentioned that I had
been in Texas for a time.   

Not wanting him to expend excess energy in covering the high points, I
filled him in on the details.   Clients, and various Houston school
drills seminars I did etc.   I told him about the Houston Picket by
Fuzzy's and the clam pizza we had.  We chatted casually about some of
our mutual acquaintances, Chris Nisbit at the sacramento org who has
just lowered prices.  I complimented him on that.  And Ron Walker who
used to be the Ethics officer at the COSMOD in Sacramento and who now
runs a cult teck consulting service in Sacramento.  He was amazingly
open and candid about some things.


I reminded him that while I had been picketing incognitito so
photographs would be less useful.  I had my business web site posted
for a year, and had called OSA with that information, and my phone
number just in case they wanted to do the tango or something.  

I did not want them to have to waste any energy in finding me or my
clients.  I mentioned two of my major clients to him, along with the
fact that I had presented them with the data on his cults criminal
activity against those of us who post their criminal record to the
web.  

(we now have a few more avid high level executuve type lurkers from
the largest semi conductor firms.) 


Jeff Quiros said he is reading this NG, I got the impression that
indeed he had been reading the NG.  To a significant extent, at least
lately.

He had inside information on the situation with myself, Inreach, the
police, and Bay alarms.  Just fascinating isn't it.   He claimed never
to have heard of Bryan Quigley....  (my how surprising), he also
claims ignorance of the parisioners org black propaganda site. One
wonders if that crap will wash with the FBI.


Jeff was cordial and respectful during our extended conversation,
about 1/2 an hour in front of the org, he declined however an offer to
come to dinner with us.  

Later however as we began the candlelight vigil, he said that if we
knew what really happened to Lisa that we would not be picketing.  I
forget his exact words, but he was laughing, and indicating that what
we were doing was **funny** to him.  This aligns well with previous
cult response that Lisa 'pulled it in' and deserved what she got and
other attempts by cult management to smear her and justify tying her
to a bed and forceably injecting her with chloral hydrate.

He also said he will be surprised if the cult looses the legal cases.


Earlier the converstation turned to what it would take for the
picketing to cease, and I related that as far as I and perhaps most
picketers were concerned, activity would drop by 90% or more when the
cult ceased its extensive criminal activity, and when it demonstrated
that it was intent on repairing some of the damages done to those who
have been fair gamed in the past.  I told him that without having to
pay the attorneys, whores, thugs and hit men 100 million dollars a
year they could put the money into promotion and take over the world.

He thought the idea had merit.

He didn't present a counter agruement, but did express the notion that
we would probably keep picketing regardless.  I suggested that he
might survey the critics to get a more accurate assessmwent.  He
declined to survey Kristi and the rest of the picketers.   I did say I
would continue of course writing and speaking about whatever I liked,
including the cults brainwashing strategies.



He said he'd forward the message to his seniors.  He denied knowing
that the technical materials in the cult had been extensively edited,
deleted and changed by the current management.

I referred him to Safes materials at the various critical web sites,
he said he could find them.  It is interesting that he argued against
my posting to act in the same fashion as the cultie clones on the
NG...  Hi Pat, Ray, Bob etc.  a little variety would make your cults
approach a bit less detectable.

he asked for instance 'how many people read and accept your stuff?"
(I told him about 1%).   I didn't get into any of these issues with
him, he said he knew how to do a searrch on deja.com.   I provided him
with my email address and phone number.  he said he'd  email me, but I
see he hasn't, I have not checked my phone messages yet, perhaps he
has called.

He wanted to know about the reverse processing I had at flag and who
did it and etc.  Then said he had never heard of such a thing, and I
reminded him of the LRH policy that calls for such abuse.  He went
silent again.


I asked him why he was allowing parissioners org to post black
propaganda about critics and reminded him that it was against hubbard
policy to do so.  I asked him why he was not doing the HCOPL
'Cleaning up a dirty field'.   I asked why he was not doing KSW and
stopping the squirrel tech by allowing the technical materials to be
changed?

He remained silent.  He didn't deny these at all. His mission was
apparently to try to intimidate me, get data, and just ignore the
meaninful issues.   When I pointed out that his name was on the org
buildings title he said he was the secretary of the corporation that
owns it.


My tactic btw is going to be to produce and distribute Books and CD's
and give seminars to corporate security executives world wide.  For
every account I loose due to cult OPs I will gain 10 from those who
despise the cult.   So far it seems to be working out that way in any
event.
   _______________________

Dinner was Great.  When i was arranging it, the owner of the tai
restaurant wanted to know how many and who we were, and I said we are
picketing the scientologists, she was very friendly at that, and said
she would reserve us our usual table.  We got 5 star service.


Kristi, Peach, Phr, and I were joined by two lurkers who helped us
picket after dinner.  Phr made fun of my choice of wine, $3.99 a
fifth, with a screw cap, made with white wine and strawberry juice,
carbonated, aged by truck.   We had lot of different tai seafood, the
critics left a big tip.

Kristi passed out some scientology kills tee shirts and gave me two
real neat xenu dolls... I'm sending one to my limey friend Dave
Bird... it's lime green Dave, yer gonna love it.

Oh yes, and when the org closed down at 7 pm sunday evening, that
should be the heaviest load of students and PC's... I'd say maybe 5
people left.   As a comparrison, the sacramento Org in 1975 had 60 or
70 students at that time, and perhaps 20 staff members.   San
Francisco was perhaps a bit busier.   From what i can tell, stats at
the SF org are down at least 80% probably 90% from those peak levels.

I'd estimate total staff at under 10 probably 5 or 6, and students at
peak times at fewer than 5 on average.  This time last year there were
perhaps 10 people running back and forth from the org during a picket.
It was much slower this time.

The org it appears ran in a couple of ringers on us, I'll let Kristi
and Peach fill you in on that.

oh yes, and Jeff Quiros volunteered that picketing the critics homes
had been counter productive as well as abusing pickerers and ask me to
notice that all that had ceased.  I congratulated him.  That may have
been when we got into what it would take for all of the critics to
cease picketing.  
   _____________________

Below is a recent big win in business for the cult.  I am posting it
for Jeff Quirros with the suggestion that the more the cult attacks
us critics with illegal and unethical means, and the more crimes the
cult commits, the more publicity it is going to get.

Jeff, If you think its getting bad in Europe. well just wait until the
news leaks to the United states congress.  Your cult and its
operatives are rapidly becoming a world wide pariah.  The recent op on
me is resulting in a lot of red flags going up in silicon valley.

That will be a real problem as the results begin to flower, and more
and more people are informed.


Best Regards, Phil Scott
philscott88@hotmail.com





>Source:
>http://www.heise.de/ct/english/99/25/058/
>
>
>Windows 2000 in Danger of beeing Banned
>Scientology participation Critizised by
>Church Representatives
>
>
>An integrated component of Windows 2000 is
>made by a Scientology company.
>The connection between the psycho sect and
>the software giant is annoying
>representatives of the major churches in
>Germany. Microsoft risks a boycott
>of its flagship product by churches and
>government agencies.
>
>Windows 2000, the successor of Windows NT
>shipping in February, contains a
>defragmentation program called Diskeeper. The
>manufacturer is the company
>Executive Software Inc.
>(http://www.execsoft.com/) of the professed
>scientologist Craig Jensen. Founded in 1981
>the enterprise offers
>defragmentation and data storage tools to
>"enhance the speed and performance
>of Microsoft Windows NT".
>
>Executive chief Jensen himself shares his
>biography on his homepage.
>According to that he has been a member of the
>organization calling itself
>church since 1974 and supposedly transformed
>his company from a "one-man
>show to a flourishing multi-million Dollar
>corporation" with the help of the
>scripts of Scientology founder L. Ron
>Hubbard. Jensen also climbed the
>corporate ladder at Scientology: He is an
>operating Thetan at level VIII (OT
>VIII), the highest level scientologists can
>achieve currently.
>
>In 1992 the Californian company opened an
>office in Hamburg. Staff was hired
>according to the following criteria: "Fully
>trained scientologists, computer
>skills desirable but not a prerequisite".
>
>By integrating the Executive product into
>Windows 2000 Microsoft created a
>situation that at least a few large potential
>customers see as a serious
>problem. A employee of the German catholic
>church who did not want his name
>mentioned told c't that the origin of the
>software is "highly disturbing".
>It is "a genius move" of the Scientology
>organization if soon such a program
>that has direct and active access to all data
>is working principally on
>every company desk and in government and
>church institutions as an
>integrated part of a widely used operating
>system.
>
>Espionage suspected
>
>The underlying reason for these kinds of
>worries is the philosophy of the
>Scientology umbrella organization WISE,
>Executive being a member of the
>latter. WISE stands for World Institute of
>Scientology Enterprises and forms
>the "most important money-generating
>apparatus of the psycho sect" according
>to the German news magazine Focus. Up to 15
>percent of the revenues are paid
>to Scientology. The participating companies
>are "exclusively managed with
>LRH technology" describes WISE itself; LRH
>are the initials of Hubbard.
>
>Guideline 1 of WISE says to "utilize the
>administrative technology in every
>business of the world". WISE further demands:
>"Conquer the key positions,
>the position [...] as companies' director of
>human resources, [...] as
>secretary of the director, [...]. The
>manufacturing plants, the trade
>centers, the counties, these are the places
>where we want trained
>scientologists."
>
>At the end of August the Bavarian secretary
>of state Hermann Regensburger
>pointed out that Scientology wants to extend
>the administration technologies
>in its enterprises, resulting in a total
>control of the employees, to
>government and society as well. Scientology
>engages espionage to
>systematically gather information about
>enemies and uses psychological
>intimidation. For this the organization is
>operating its own secret service
>called Office for Special Affairs (OSA).
>
>In almost every German province the
>Scientology organization is under
>observation of the department for protection
>of the constitution. This
>year's constitution protection report of the
>province of Baden-Württemberg
>says that Scientology gathered information
>about federal and state
>politicians. Six years ago Scientology hired
>a private detective agency for
>a member of the German parliament belonging
>to the CDU (Christian Democratic
>Union, one of the major political parties in
>Germany) who had publicly
>criticized the organization in a discussion
>on broadcast television. Four
>weeks later his personal life was
>investigated intensely and the results
>were sent to the Scientology secret service
>in Munich.
>
>According to the Stuttgarter Nachrichten
>(German newspaper) strictly
>confidential material of the State Department
>ended up in the OSA
>headquarter in Los Angeles. At the end of
>1997 the Foreign Office had
>created an internal strategy paper that
>investigated "Scientology Under the
>Aspect of German-American Relations". The
>State Department brought in the
>Federal Intelligence Agency to identify the
>mole. So far without any
>success.
>
>No subject for Microsoft
>
>Data protection and security officials who
>looked into the subject are
>concerned that of all enterprises the
>software of a Scientology company
>would have access to all data under Windows
>2000. However, Microsoft cannot
>relate to these concerns. There is no such
>distrust against Scientology
>organizations in the US said the German media
>relations department of
>Microsoft. It was on the contrary quite
>difficult to make the mother company
>in Redmond understand this German problem.
>In a letter to a German government department
>expressing concern the
>Microsoft subsidiary writes: "Inquiries at
>our mother company in the US did
>not indicate in any way that this software
>restricts the security of the
>operating system. However, it is not a
>Microsoft-specific problem if -
>assuming appropriate criminal energy -
>somebody can obtain access to the
>system." After all, the customer could
>uninstall the defragmentation tool at
>any time by manually deleting the files and
>registry entries (see below "In
>the Background").
>
>In Germany the software enterprise takes the
>same line as in the US:
>"Microsoft acts according to the principles
>of rule of law", said company
>spokesman Kurt Braatz to c't. "Without a
>valid ruling of a judge we cannot
>exclude anybody from doing business with us
>because of his religion, race or
>other characteristics". The company Executive
>must be treated like any other
>company despite its connections to
>Scientology. There is no valid verdict
>that classifies Scientology as an
>anti-constitutional organization.
>
>Stating protection?
>
>Churches, government departments and the
>large political parties in Germany
>want to distance themselves from the
>power-hungry psycho sect. It is more
>and more the practice to demand a protection
>statement from employees,
>members and business partners. With this the
>signing party commits to
>"completely" reject Hubbard methods, not to
>organize or allow any
>Scientology seminars in the company, not to
>do any business with persons,
>companies or organizations that support
>Scientology and - important in
>Microsoft's case - not "knowingly support
>companies that are managed or
>influenced with a L. Ron Hubbard method".
>Meanwhile the protection statement has become
>a deciding criterion for
>employment in many government institutions
>and is slowly gaining ground in
>the economy as well. Assuming that the
>Scientology company Executive is
>earning royalties from Windows 2000 everybody
>who signed the statement could
>not buy the operating system.
>
>On top of that as a potential business
>partner Microsoft Germany will have
>to confront joining the protection statement.
>This will quite probably be
>the subject of a meeting on December 9th when
>representatives of the
>Catholic church visit the German office of
>Microsoft. As company spokesman
>Braatz said to c't, he will be happy to
>explain Microsoft's position.
>Changing it is out of the question, however.
>
>The argument that especially the churches
>should not be expected to finance
>the Scientology enterprise when buying
>Windows 2000 does not get any
>response from Microsoft. "Whoever has these
>concerns is free to express
>themselves by their bying decisions", said
>Braatz.
>
>In the USA Scientology has the support of
>influential politicians, mostly
>Republicans, who want to see the
>constitutional right of free choice of
>religion applied to the so-called church.
>German politicians still remember
>the unpleasant experience when the loudest
>critics from this camp accused
>them of oppressing a religious minority and
>even made comparisons to the
>Nazi regime. Since then it has been very
>quiet around the report from the
>parliament's survey commission presented in
>spring that was the reason for
>the angry criticism.
>
>Under these circumstances it seems more than
>questionable whether Microsoft
>can be persuaded to reassess the matter. The
>attitude in Redmond might only
>change if they see the risk of a noticeable
>boycott in the German market. At
>least the outline of such a risk is quite
>real. Sources at the Catholic
>church said to c't that if Microsoft still is
>not going to do anything to
>clarify this matter they would have to
>conclude that "the advice is not to
>use the Windows operating system or only for
>limited purposes". (ct)
>
>Literature
>[1] Axel Kintzinger, Brisante Übernahme,
>Sekten-Firmen dringen ins
>Computergeschäft vor und gewinnen auch
>namhafte Kunden, Focus 14/1999, S. 80
>[2] Renate Hartwig, Executive Software
>weiterhin im Gespräch, Kein
>Informationsfluss in der Computerbranche,
>Robin Direkt Report, 01. 02. 98
>[3] Bayerisches Staatsministerium des Innern,
>Das System Scientology, Wie
>Scientology funktioniert, 25 Fragen mit
>Antworten
>[4] Renate Hartwig, Scientology - die
>Zeitbombe in der Wirtschaft, 1994
>[5] Bayerisches Staatsministerium des Innern,
>Jürgen Keltsch, Was ist
>Scientology?, Die Fabrikation der
>Mensch-Maschine im kybernetischen
>Lernlabor, 04. 08. 1999
>[6] "Ist das Menschen- und Gesellschaftsbild
>der Scientology-Organisation
>vereinbar mit der Werte- und Rechtsordnung
>des Grundgesetzes?", Gutachtliche
>Stellungnahme im Auftrag der
>Ministerpräsidentin des Landes
>Schleswig-Holstein, Informations- und
>Dokumentationsstelle "Sekten und
>sektenähnliche Vereinigungen", Prof. Dr. jur.
>Ralf B. Abel, April 1996
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------
>-----------------------------------
>
>In the Background
>In general defragmentation software has
>access to all files - otherwise it
>could not rearrange them on the disk.
>However, this is not only a
>characteristic of this type of software but
>is true for all backup programs
>as well, for example. From a technical point
>of view a device driver is much
>more dangerous because it has more privileges
>in the system and can act
>rather unobserved.
>We took a closer look at the defragmentation
>software in two current
>pre-releases of Windows 2000, Beta 3 and
>Release Candidate 2 (Build 2031 and
>2128). The participating modules that consist
>of the files dfrgsnap.dll,
>dfrgres.dll, dfrgui.dll, dfrgfat.exe and
>dfrgntfs.exe did not reveal
>anything suspicious. The files contain the
>usual function calls, for example
>from GetProcAddress, LoadLibrary and COM.
>Especially COM makes almost
>anything possible theoretically.
>
>Observing the programs while they were
>running did not offer any hints
>either, like for example calling network
>functions to transmit data to the
>outside. Neither listdll [1] nor iwatch [2]
>came up with any peculiarities
>in form of additionally loaded DLLs that are
>not necessary for
>defragmentation but would be for network
>access for example.
>
>Of course an external investigation does not
>completely invalidate the
>suspicion that an operating system component
>spies on the user. A Trojan
>horse is comparable to a bug in software: One
>can practically never say with
>absolute certainty that there are no bugs;
>instead it is pure luck to find
>one.
>
>The most interesting question is actually
>whether Microsoft has the source
>code of the component bought from Executive.
>If this is the case Microsoft
>could definitely find out whether the
>software is dangerous. The symbol
>information (PDB/DBG files, Checked Builds)
>for Windows 2000 provided by
>Microsoft suggest that the Diskeeper source
>codes are part of the regular
>build process and thus are available.
>However, Microsoft has not confirmed
>this yet.
>
>Therefore an uncertainty remains though it is
>relativized by the way of
>integration into Windows 2000: The
>defragmentation only runs by request of
>the administrator or user. Additionally there
>are two alternatives, among
>others at [1]. But even there the source code
>is currently missing.
>
>Microsoft's advice to simply delete the
>defragmentation software if in doubt
>borders on deceit. Following that advice in
>the current pre-releases
>activates a component called System File
>Protection (SFP). It immediately
>restores the files in question as soon as
>they have vanished from the
>Explorer by using a cached copy.
>
>Literature
>[1] Web-Site of Mark Russinovich and Bryce
>Cogswell containing several tips,
>informations and programs for Windows 9x and
>NT: http://www.sysinternals.com
>[2] Matthias Withopf, Wachtmeister, Programme
>unter Windows 95/NT überwacht
>ausführen, c't 14/98, S. 200
>
>
>Verlag Heinz Heise      Additional
>Translations from c't are available
>  Last changed by Jürgen Kuri, December 04,
>1999
>
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>What Scientology Doesn't Want Anyone to See:
>Operation Clambake: http://www.xenu.net
>
>