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Subject: Picket Report:  San Diego, Dec 4 1999
From: seekon@ix.netcom.com (Conner)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 01:01:43 GMT
Message-ID: <3849b477.2245513529@news2.lightlink.com>


BatChild, barb and I picketed the SD org from about 12:00 to 2:00 today.
It was mostly uneventful, yet there were a couple of fun things to report.

I gave out about 2 dozen Lisa flyers, and about a dozen "scientology cult"
flyers.  A lot of them went to people from the (market) research company
across the street, Luth Research.  What was funny was that every time
one of their people would come over to ask for a flyer, the resident 
OSA would go running across the street to try to catch them, and if he
did catch them, would engage them in long conversation.  it looked to
me like he was trying to get them to relinquish their flyers.  it also
looked to me like he was remarkably unsucessful.  even unintentionally,
i think we might have given the SD org a bit of a PR gaffe to handle.

one time when he was across the street, a woman came out of the
borg and yelled at him "ronnie".  so now we know his name.  we
also know he drives a dirty red saab, from when he tried to chase
us before.  so we have made ronnie the saab boy, aka mongoose face
(ferret face is taken).  poor ronnie.  i saw a guy on a bicycle with a
hat with the scn symbol emblazoned on it.  so i went to ronnie and i asked
ronnie how i could get one.  and ronnie wouldn't even look at me,
or answer.  now how at cause is that?  i was willing to make a 
fair exchange.  

in fact, a lot of people going into the org seemed to have problems
looking at us.  i think we got us some at cause signs.  they 
caused scn to put their hands on their eyes a lot.  what does 
ted call them, monkies?

ronnie must have been getting some pressure, though.  cause
he came out at one point and said (through clenched teeth)
"can i get a pamphlet, carl?   and see what kind of stuff you're
peddling today?"  i, of course obliged readily.  it seems ronnie
can't even get a good postulate up any more.  last time he
tried to postulate me as a child molester.  maybe my finding
so much humor in that repressed him, though.  i do hope my 
doubling up with laughter didn't lead to any engrams or 
anything.

traffic was light.  still we got a number of honks, thumbs up, and
whistles.  and one lady who drove by and yelled "why don't you
go home and knit"  i know it's strange, but scientology works.

we had some dev-t.  some lady tried to interview each of us on how 
did we knew each other, why did we criticise scientology, were we ever
scientologists, did we know lisa, standard introspect tech kind
of thing.  she seemed to have about as much success as ronnie
did getting our flyers out of the research company employee's hands.

we were hoping to try some slow speed chase tech on the
borg, to drive around at about 10 mph and let them follow us
until they got tired of it, but ronnie took off before we even quit.  
must be those OT powerz, he knew we wuz gonna do it.

so we went and had a nice beer and chat instead.  ronnie, 
next time, you're welcome, too.

all in all, it was a damned fine low-keyed picket.  we seemed to
accomplish more than we might have expected.  i'm looking forward
to barb's and bat's reports, too.

-- seekon@ix.netcom.com (Conner) 
Eppur si muove - Galilei

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Subject: Picket report, San Diego, 12/4/1999
From: Xenubat@primenet.com (Bat Child (Sue M.))
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 04:21:40 GMT
Message-ID: <3849a917.758602@news.primenet.com>

(Seeing that I still have my reactive mind and thus have a less than
perfect memory, the events I describe may not be in exact
chronological order, and any conversations described below are
paraphrased.)

Me, Barb and Conner decided to pay a visit to the San Diego org today
to do a picket in memory of Lisa McPherson.  

We met across the street from the org just before noon.  I had on my
"Who Is Xemu?" picketing t-shirt, and, this being a typical San Diego
day with wonderful weather, I didn't even need to wear my sweater
which I had brought with me.  

I had my "Lisa" picket sign with me:  The first side had two pictures
of Lisa McPherson (both from the www.lisamcpherson.org site, neither
of them autopsy pictures) and said, "YOUNG.  PRETTY.  DEAD." (I stole
this from Mirele).  The other side said, 'DID 100% STANDARD TECH KILL
LISA McPHERSON?"  Barb's sign was a slightly altered version of the
sign she used when we picketed the org in September--instead of
saying, "OHMYGOD! SCIENTOLOGY KILLED KENNY!", it said, "SCIENTOLOGY
KILLED LISA--1959-1995"; the other side was the same--"RON IS GONE BUT
THE CON LIVES ON".  Conner's sign said, "SCIENTOLOGY INDICTED IN DEATH
OF LISA McPHERSON, DECEMBER 5, 1995" and "$CIENTOLOGY--$ECRETIVE
RELIGIOUS $CAM".  

Conner was the one that was really walking back and forth in front of
the org; I mainly stood over by the intersection of 4th and Ash with
my sign--however, Barb and I did go back and forth past the org a few
times, to let the Scienos know that Conner wasn't alone.  

I don't think we had been there two minutes when the driver of a car
going down Ash that was waiting at the stoplight honked his approval
and yelled out, "Thank you so much!"  He actually thanked us twice,
said he was glad somebody was out there doing this (picketing) and as
the light turned green and he went by, he yelled, "L. Ron Hubbard was
a psycho lunatic!"  

A short while later, a woman driving another car going down Ash yelled
out, "Why don't you guys go home and knit?" !!  I had thought about
yelling back, "Sorry, we used up our knitting needles doing all those
attempted abortions and giving people engrams!" but she was already
gone! ;-)

We did have a few Scns come out--one guy wearing glasses (I *think* he
was a Scn--he had come on foot down 4th Avenue from the other side of
Ash, walking in the direction of the org, but I didn't see him
actually go into the org) took pictures of me and Barb.  Another guy
walking by (I think on his way to the org) said, "Hi, Barb" as he
walked past, like that was supposed to rattle her or something ("We
know your name" and all that).  

We saw Mr. Red Saab (the probably OSA guy that tried to follow us when
we picketed last June), and learned that his name is Ronnie!  Conner
had give some passersby some flyers; the passersby had crossed 4th Av.
and were walking down the other side of the street and Ronnie Red Saab
went across the street to where they were walking and started talking
to them, undoubtedly to tell them not to believe all the lies that us
nasty SPs were spreading about Scientology (though to be fair, I
didn't actually hear the conversation!).  Well, we heard somebody from
the org yell out to him, "Hey, Ronnie!" so that's how we found out his
name.

Then there was this one woman (who I'll refer to as "Ms. Dev-T") who
talked to all three of us, one at a time, claiming that she wasn't a
Scieno but that she had "friends" who were members, but then was
asking the same kinds of questions that the Scienos always ask at
pickets:  "Where did you get this information?  What web sites did you
look at?  Are you guys in some kind of a group?  How did you guys all
decide to get together and come here and picket?", etc.  She asked me
if I was ever a member of Scn and I said that had almost joined
because I had read part of "Dianetics" and the thought about us having
a reactive mind sounded really interesting to me.  I said that I had
taken the Personality Test, but then I had read "Time" magazine and
found out about Xenu and decided it was baloney and didn't join,
mentioning that I was never told about Xenu when I went to take the
Personality Test and talked to the reg afterwards.  She then said
something about how just because "Time" magazine published something
didn't mean it was true, that some of the articles they published
turned out not to be true at all (I didn't think to mention about how
Scn lost their libel suit against "Time", though!  :-/).  

She also wanted to know where I got the info about Lisa McPherson; I
said I first heard about it on the first "Inside Edition" show about
Lisa, which I had seen before I even got my computer.  I also
mentioned reading about it in numerous other newspapers including the
New York Times.  I also said that I had heard Mike Rinder's version of
what happened.  She asked, "Who's Mike Rinder" and I said that he was
the head of OSA; she asked what OSA was and I said that it was what
was formerly known as the Guardian's Office, till a number of members,
including LRH's wife Mary Sue, got arrested for trying to break into
government offices; and that they were Scn's spy group that does
investigations on critics.  I then said that I had seen the babywatch
logs (which I also had printed off a copy of and brought with me to
the picket) she asked what those were and I said that those were the
notes the Scns took while they were doing the Introspection Rundown on
Lisa, how they would try to give her something to eat but she would
spit it out.  Ms. Dev-T said, "Well, see, they were trying to help
her", and I said I'm sure they were, or that they thought they were,
but that if she was refusing to eat, they should have taken her to a
doctor so she could have been fed intravenously if necessary.  I also
mentioned how they were giving her chloral hydrate and other
sedatives, and read some sections from the babywatch logs out loud.  I
also mentioned that the babywatch logs from the last two days of
Lisa's life were missing and that Scn claimed they couldn't find them.


She then mentioned that Scn had this literacy program that they ran
that helped young kids learn to read.  I said that I had heard about
that and that I thought many of the Scientologists were good, caring
people but that they were being misled about a number of things, such
as Xenu. 

I think she had already gotten a Lisa flyer from Conner, and I had
given her a Xemu flyer.  She asked where I heard about this from and I
said that a number of ex-members who did the OT-3 level have confirmed
that it's true, and that Scientology lawyers have sued (or threatened
to sue) people who posted the OT-3 document to the Internet.  She said
that she didn't believe that it was actually true and I said that
there was a lecture where LRH talks about Xenu, how his name could
also be pronounced Xemu, and how Xenu really "goofed the floof".  I
then said that I had a copy of the first page of OT-3 in Hubbard's
handwriting.  She noticed my bag that had a logo about Las Vegas and
asked if I had gotten it in Las Vegas and I said I had gotten it as a
gift.  Well, I finally managed to dig out my copy of the first page of
OT-3 and gave it to her, telling her she could keep it as I had extra
copies.  She folded it up with the other flyers we had given her.  She
then asked if we were planning to come and picket tomorrow, and I said
something like, "Well those guys [Conner and Barb] might possibly come
down here, I'm not sure, but I don't think I'll be able to make it, I
have plans to do some other stuff."

Well, she then put our flyers and OT-3 copy in her purse and was
fumbling around in there, and I then walked up the sidewalk away while
she was busy doing that.  Apparently she was looking for a pen, as
shortly afterwards I saw her busily writing down stuff on a piece of
paper.  Then she started talking to Barb for a while; Barb can surely
fill in the details of the conversation better than I can, but I did
hear them talk about things like Narconon and CCHR, among other
things.

About an hour into our picket, we saw Ronnie Red Saab driving out of
the parking lot and leaving, not to be seen for the rest of the time
we were picketing.  We were a bit disappointed that we weren't able to
lead him on another chase like last time! ;-)

We didn't have a lot of foot traffic, but we did manage to give out
some flyers at least:  I think I gave out about 8 Lisa flyers and
maybe about 6 Xemu flyers (including one to Ms. Dev-T).  I'm not sure
how many flyers Barb gave out; I think Conner gave out a couple dozen
flyers (Lisa and Scam flyers, maybe some other flyers also but I know
for sure he had Lisa and Scam flyers), including some to a few people
right outside the door of the org!  A few people hadn't heard anything
about Lisa or knew very much about Scientology.  One woman who we told
about what happened to Lisa said "Well, I'll say a prayer for her,"
and Barb, pointing to the org, said something like, "You should say a
prayer for those guys, too, because they don't know the truth about
what this group is really about."  One guy told us that at one time he
used to be an alcoholic, and he didn't have any family living in San
Diego and decided to check out what Scientology was about, and he said
he figured out right away that they were just a scam so fortunately
didn't join.  

Car traffic was pretty good, considering it was a Saturday afternoon
(it's usually busier during the week, at rush hour).  I'm not sure how
many cars actually pulled into the org parking lot, but Barb said at
least one carload got a good look at her sign before they pulled into
the lot, that she could tell by lip-reading that one of the passengers
was reading Barb's sign out loud.  I'm sure quite a few people got a
good look at our signs, especially when I was standing over on the
corner and people were waiting for the light to turn green.  I'd say
we got close to a dozen car honks and thumbs-up from people.  My
definite favorite ack of the day was when one car drove by, and the
people started smiling and the guy in the front passenger seat yelled
out, "Xenu!" and we said "All right!!" and started laughing our heads
off!  :-))

About 2 pm we decided to call it a day.  Conner noticed that the
lettering on the org's sign on their building was in the goldenrod
color and wondered if they were giving themselves a Suppressive
Declare!  ;-)  We went down to a local place not too far away and had
some beers and visited for a bit, then we went off on our way.


Sue, SP4(:), listed on the Scieno Sitter list 5 times!
--
http://www.primenet.com/~xenubat

"It will take a *long* time to find another enemy
with the combination of evil and incompetence
you see in Scientology."--Keith Henson