======== Subject: Its a Wog World Danny Boy! (was Toronto Picket, October 16, 1999) From: Gregg Hagglund Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:40:54 -0400 Message-ID: <171019990040541064%elrond@cgo.wave.ca> In article <36449.8193802083@news>, wrote: > Toronto Picket, October 16, 1999 > > I was at the Toronto picket today. Yes you were Dan. (Oooh, How'd I guess that?) And you almost got arrested for shoving Gerry Armstrong. Good thing he didn't press charges eh? > Self-professed "house husband" Greg > Hagglund - Thats MISTER "mom" to you slacker! And I can burn water with the best of 'em! ( I see you are all comparing your KRs on conversations with the SPs. Dutiful droids aren't you?) Since most of my jobs and contracted employments for the last 10 years have originated out my home, I get to do most of the house stuff and kid ferrying. (Until they got drivers licenses that is.) As far as my kids are concerned they'd much rather I was an Oscar than a Felix. Neat freaks can be a pain in the ass to their wives and kids as well as to $cientology. > his son was charged with two counts of drug trafficking. No it was more like seven counts of trafficking or possession or other. Dropped to two individual counts of $10 sales. One of grass the other of mushrooms. So what? Hubbard was a major user of a variety of drugs and *you* claim to be ethical while lying to the public repeatedly about OT3, OSA TR-Lies and other flights of drug induced fantasy by the abusive bigamist and cheque bouncer Mr Hubbard.(deep breath) What does my sons piccadillos have to do with the ongoing unethical and morally bankrupt actions of the Cult of Greed and Power? > Greg's biggest concern is that he was praised by the Crown in court. No my big laugh was how visibly upset Peter Ramsay was when the Crown and the Justice praised my 'tough love' stance with my son. And, too, my families cooperation with the Police in helping to straighten out my errant son. And straighten out he did. Worked hard at it too. Went back and finished his High School. Studied on his own initiative for the A++ computer test, paid for it himself and got 90%. Kept his job with his employer, for whom he often does close up and cash-out. Got a raise too. His life style, with my stern guidance, is absolutely different from the one that got him into the wrong crowd in the first place. > Gee, Greg, your only job is raising your son and you are so out of > communication with him that you didn't know he was selling drugs to > children? Are you too stupid to read the OSA file on me and my family or what? Chris moved out of our home, as you well know, but conveniently forget, when he turned 18. He didn't like some of our tough Home Rules so he split. As was his right. I helped him move out. He got in with the wrong type of people and life style. He asked to move back and said he would follow the Rules. He moved back. I helped him again. Being an adult legally I did not violate the privacy of his room (as I would do upon occasion when he was a minor). Besides, since Chris was paying room and board I had no legal right to be going thru his stuff. He appeared to follow the Rules until he got beat up pretty bad by some kids who wanted to steal some grass from him. You know most of this Dan, since its in OSA files. It is a matter of public record that I convinced my son, with the help of the Police, to stop and reassess his life-style choices and to change himself. This change is Chris's victory, not mine. I just coached strongly, praised his successes and enforced the Rules and Consequences when he strayed, at all, in the least. > Father of the Year? And you are bragging about your being > praised in court for the tough line you took with him? Jeeze does that gall you or what? I am a tough 'ol Army brat and ex- Officer of the Crown. I adhere to my principles even if it means teaching my errant offspring the *hardway*. > I guess you were > taking a tough line when he was selling the drugs. You gotta try harder Dan. Your OSA thug cohorts know Chris moved out as I mentioned above. Am I supposed to follow him about? Nah, I'll leave that up to your bumbling cadre of overpaid and undertrained PIs and fellow OSA stumble-bums like that sad sack Peter Ramsay. Chris moved back into our home and back to school and screwed up royally. The *first* ton of bricks that fell on him was me. As you well know, but conveniently forget. I take it being an Anti-Social Scientologist is something you and your fellow neo-Fascist power trippers take pride in, eh? > I guess your wife didn't > like paying for this one. Actually Chris is paying for his contretemps. One year probation and 200 hours of community service. (Likely teaching computer tech.) Chris is also paying for his legal costs. Every dime. > Too bad you weren't working and she was raising > the kids. Actually Jen was raising the kids herself for the first few years. I was too busy making my first million bucks in retail. Then the recession killed us. *sigh* All that hard work gone. But I got to actually spend quality time with the family and returned to my first profession on the side. > > Greg claims that the children's pictures on his site are still there. Well, I just looked at 'em. The thumbnails leading to the larger shots may be found at: http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond/4-6photoSites1.html#TOP http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond/4-CoSRoguesphoto.html http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond/4-CoSRoguesphoto2.html#TOP > Well, > Greg, having the faces blacked out doesn't exactly make it easy for these > unknown relatives that are supposed to be looking for the Scientologist's > children. Well, duh, Dan. (Jeeze do you really think looking this stupid helps your reputation?) As that well informed OSA Toady and unapologetic terrorist-of-the-old-and-infirm, DSA 'Big' Al Buttnor, knows quite well, I blacked out the faces for a voluntary limited period of time. (As posted here on ARS.) This was to give you Scientologists an opportunity to waste your time trying to get a court order forcing me to remove legally obtained photos taken in public settings of ordinary activities. Go ahead, waste your money. [Nothing has happened on the legal front. Maybe on Monday my ISP will cave into the Criminal Cults extralegal harassment. Or maybe my ISP will tell you to discuss it with me. And my lawyers. On your dime. ] So at 1 A.M on Sat Oct 16, I reinstated the original shots. Still can't see them Dan? Clear your cache or reload the page. Heck, even *I* know that!. > > Your fellow minion picketer, Mike Argue, was asking all the women if they > wanted to give him a blow job. Really? Not too swift I must say. But it did get your 'ladies' to stop acting like harridans and stop harassing him, didn't it? Gee Dan, didn't the Officer give you a pretty stern talking to about your harrassing tactics? > When Wulfen and Nan took him aside and > told him not to do this, *If* I had been Picket Captain I would have sent him off for coffees or maybe for the rest of the day. He was in complete contradiction of our Picketing Advisory. (Which of course you also know since Big Al has a copy.) But I was *not* Picket Captain today, Chris Wood was and he made a judgement call, with Nan's help and advice. After all, *if* Mike has a shorter fuse than most its because too much Hubbardspew has rocked his mind. But he is better off than you Dan. Mike Argue doesn't still believe Hubbard's ludicrous claims of "science, research and technology". Or in Xenu. > he lasted all of eight seconds before he started up > again. -So you say, but since your are a trained liar I will have to *not* accept your word for it. > You guys are a real classy bunch. The local bedraggled drunk that I and the Cop kept chasing out of traffic all morning had more class compared to you, Al, Andy Hill, Peter Ramsay and a few others of your staff and 'membership". At least the drunk wasn't pretending to be anything else, or selling BTs and Hubbard-Ts to unsuspecting 'raw meat', eh? By the way, just how many 16 and 17 year old *children* has your internationally despised criminal cult recruited over the years with the lies Hubbard sold you? > The cop was not impressed. You are right Dan! When you started shoving Gerry Armstrong around *you* almost went to jail. Only *I* had told the Officer about the fairy tale claims of last Picket about the Orgs property line, and showed him the proof the Org.s claim was (surprise!) a fabrication. I also told the Officer, well meaning, but brain dead Shills like you, might still believe in the fabrication. So maybe, just maybe, he cut you some slack, eh? You can thank me next picket by not wasting my time. Besides it will be Andy Shills turn. Oh, and how did I know this anonymous bit of Black PR was from you Dan? Because you give yourself away below: > > So, Greg, you never answered me - where did that $20,000 come from to > buy those two Mazdas? Minton? Surely not from you. Well, you gotta get your foam-at-the mouth claims and threats straightened out Dan. One minute I am a lowly newsy who has no money, but the next, at todays picket, you threatened to report me to Revenue Canada for having undeclared income enough to have two $20,000+ cars. Now, according to you, I am secretly getting Minton money. Or is that evil psyche money? Rockefeller? The twelve bankers? At least you could pick one paranoia, yours or Hubbards, and stick with it. So which is it? I can't make money or I make too much? Or are you just jealous that I and my wife can afford to get new cars and you have to drive that wreck around? (Has that piece of crap passed the emission tests yet?) Go ahead Dan, turn me in to Revenue Canada. Just who do you think will be more credible? A pain in the ass neat freak professionally trained income tax preparer like myself? Or a member of a Criminally Convicted Corporation for Breaches of the Public Trust? An organisation which *still* has in place the very kind of self-justified, anti- social, anti-free speech and anti- democratic policies which got it convicted for past transgressions. The same polices and self-justified criminal actions which have earned Scientology *new*raids in Belgium and France? Heckers Dan, you are running out of EEC countries to get into trouble in. And speaking of credibility.... Do you really think your threat to sue me for having your picture on my website ( if I do) is credible? What fantasy world do you live in Dan? Does this mean Scientology is legally incorrect, in your fantasy realm, for posting my picture on the libel and adhominem Parishoner site? (You will tell them to remove it for me, won't you?) Or is it you seriously believe Scientologists have all the Charter Rights and other, more forthright folk, like myself, do not? [Hmmm. I think it may just be dawning in some back corner of the dim groupmind of DM and co. I *might* have more personal financial resources than meets the 1.1 vision of the Co$, eh? Did the Co$ lean into another Bonnie Woods type of legal 'punch' in the snoot? They should read some *real* sciencefiction, like The Tactics of Mistake.] BTW Dan. You seem to know just *too* much about my private Revenue Canada Records. Too many specifics Dan. Do you folks still have an agent or co-erced individual at RevCan? Maybe *I* should complain to the RCMP? What do *you* think, Dan? > > Wedding was great. I am happy for the lucky couple. Until the disconnect order is sent when one of them goes PTS, eh, Dan? > Big turnout. Well, I call anything less than 100 people at a wedding: a small turnout. But I travel in different social circles. > Bride looked lovely. She did indeed. Best of luck, as long as the Co$ lets them. > Relatives enjoyed themselves. Well, until they read the RX Specials. Then they started to ask some interesting questions. A few were very unhappy about the Cults past and current criminal activities. > Cop asked me about our Minister's training. Yeah. The Manager of Policy and Legislation has a few questions too. Like the very short ministers course. And the Disconnection Policy which makes a mockery of the sanctity of Marriage. And the lack of Charity Status in Canada of the Cult. (Narconon doesn't count, 'cause they lied about being part of the Co$.) There are not a few members of the Provincial House who may have questions for the Minister about the Manager of Policy and Legislation. Like, was she asleep at the switch or did some Corporation mislead her? > He gave some > helpful advice for the next wedding. Yeah. BoyScouts know more than Scientologists about traffic control and logistics when you put long limos in a short turn situation. I guess there is no "traffic tech', eh? Did you know the grooms family wasn't too keen about the Co$ rescheduling the wedding so as to be on a Picket Day? Especially when this was used to make the phoney claim we might be so callous and rude as to picket the happy couple? Tell you what. Once the Cults Marrying Privileges are yanked, and everyone has to do it all over again *for real*, I promise not to picket them then either. > > Scientologist --Thats not my problem. But it sure is *yours*, IMHO. PS. HEY AL! Please, Do NOT send Co$ children across four lanes of Yonge St. Saturday traffic to try and get a flyer from me. (This young man was about nine.) I do not give flyers to unaccompanied visibly minor children. Its bad form. These children are the innocent victims of their parents misgiven loyalties. Have the decency to not involve or put them at risk on the street, trying for a minor PR gain. Or is that too much to ask? ======== Subject: Toronto Picket Report - October 16th, 1999 From: "jodyz" Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:33:08 -0400 Message-ID: <38097b0f.0@news2.lightlink.com> Today's picket was excellent, it couldn't have been any better. To start off, the weather was sublime, 21 degrees C., sunny and so balmy that I was too warm in a tee-shirt and jeans. As someone said, Xenu must have been smiling down on us. I got to the org. at my usual time (ie: very very late) and the number of picketers I saw amazed me. In my short time as a Scientology protester, we've not had such a good turnout. And, unusual for a Toronto picket, today the ex-scientologists outnumbered those of us who have joined the fight for other reasons. The Scientologists were out in large numbers, buzzing enturbulatedly, no doubt owing to the celebrity guest picketers, who we were all delighted to have join us. I finally got the chance to meet Gerry Armstrong, having read so much about him on the net. I also was honoured to meet Nan McLean, who I was told played a role in the RCMP's raid of the Toronto Org. some years back. Who was there, you ask? Well, there was Gregg, Wulfen, Gorilla (these guys, and Android cat are the 'usuals', unfortunately, Android couldn't make it today), also the aforementioned Mr. Armstrong and Ms. McLean, and three other gentlemen, whose names escape my non-clear mind at the moment. After a quick hello to my old pals and the new picketers, I picked up my fliers and proceeded across the street. As I paced the area, handing out my Xenu specials, I happened to notice, in a candy-shop display front, a cookie jar in the form of Xenu's head. I called Gorilla over, and together we broke out into a spontaneous rendition of "How much is that Xenu in the window"....and quite harmonic it sounded, too. One thing I did notice is that the people are Yonge Street are becoming more informed. I'm having trouble handing out as many fliers because everyone seems to have already read them. The number of thumbs up signs, and positive comments I receive are on the increase...along with the lower flier hand-out rate...an interesting dilemma. After an hour or so of picketing, it was off to lunch. We sat at a bunch of small tables, amid beer and blt's and listened to Nan and Gerry share tales of their days in Scientology. They were both so interesting to listen to, that I missed alot by trying to get it all. Hopefully this will not be my only opportunity to sit with them and chat. And that's about it from me....I had to leave after lunch while the rest of the gang went back to work. And thanks alot guys...it's a pleasure to picket with you all. gypsyblue ======== Subject: Toronto Picket Report 1999-10-16 From: wulfen@NOSPAMtotal.net (Wulfen - www.total.net/~wulfen/scn/) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 05:39:57 GMT Message-ID: <380ab259.17214426@news2.lightlink.com> Picketers (at various times): Me, Gregg, Gorilla (aka Artemis), Gypsyblue, Witling, Miss Kitty, David Palter, Nan McLean, Mike Argue, Gerry Armstrong. Times: 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM and 2:00 PM to 5:00 PM Leaflets: 1200 (conservative total), which included: Approximately 775 or so of Gregg's new Xenu/Crimes leaflet. 450 or maybe more of mine - No Science/Judges and LRH the Con Man/Human Cost. (Get them here: http://www.total.net/~wulfen/scn/leaflets.htm ) The saga: Gregg and me started off the day by going by the Toronto Scientology Org - with a tape measure. At the September picket, a Scientologist tried to claim that Gregg was trespassing (while he was standing on the sidewalk) because the Org property extended out into the sidewalk. So, we measured the street. According to Gregg, who went to look at some city records, the width of Yonge Street at the Org is 66 feet exactly, from the storefront on one side to the storefront on the other. Guess what the width of Yonge Street from the centerline to the Org is? 33 feet. So, I suppose the Scientologist that told the off-duty officer last week that Gregg was trespassing was lying. How "ethical"... Then, we went over to McDonald's, and met David Palter (Toronto ex-Scientologist, you can read an essay of his here: http://www.total.net/~wulfen/scn/palter.htm ). After a bit of McFood, we met up with Gerry Armstrong (came in from Vancouver to picket with us) and Gorilla (formerly known as Artemis). Mike Argue wandered around, and then we set off to kit up. Would you believe it, we got to the Org ten minutes early? So, we hung around until 10:00, and a couple of bike officers showed up, followed by the off-duty officer for the day. After a quick intro, we started picketing. Gorilla headed across the road, and the rest of us marshalled our signs and leaflets and started spreading entheta. The morning settled down into its routine - picketers picketing (surprise), Scientologists trying to discourage/intimidate/provoke the aforementioned picketers. Dan was his usual "Ug the Big Tough Theta Being" self, getting in Gregg's face. He tried the "your son is a drug dealer" line, and when that didn't work tried to compare himself to a Jew in Nazi Germany. Gregg took loud exception to this, and tore a strip off of Dan. The police officer, standing nearby, didn't interfere, even when the confrontation got verbally heated. Really, when a Scientologist tries this line it only thrusts Scientology's moral and intellectual bankruptcy into the spotlight. After a while, Dan started on me, which was a semi-new experience. When he tried the "are you on welfare" line, I had my tape recorder out. And, he started in on the "how's your girlfriend, how was your trip to New Brunswick" spiel. Since Gregg wasn't intimidated by Scientology harrassment of his family, what makes the cult think that I will be? Dan also threatened to sue me if I didn't take his picture off of my websites (in fact, I'm just babysitting them). Dan informed me that he is a businessman (oooh, I'm quaking...), and asked if I understood this. I just said "yes"... And now we'll see. For the record, the images that Dan are complaining about are (I'm pretty sure I found them all, first the URLs and then the image files): http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3741/ http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3741/s/019.jpg http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3741/n/019.jpg (Dan is on the left in the above picture) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3741/s/005.jpg http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/3741/n/005.jpg http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/5950/cos/ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/5950/cos/s/009.jpg http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/5950/cos/n/009.jpg http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/5950/cos/s/037.jpg http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/5950/cos/n/037.jpg (Dan is on the left in the above picture) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm020.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm020.jpg (Dan is on the right in the black shirt in the above picture) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm021.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm021.jpg (Dan is on the right in the black shirt in the above picture) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm031.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm031.jpg (Dan is on the right in the black shirt in the above picture) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm051.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm051.jpg (Dan is in the background; on the left with the black shirt) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm052.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm052.jpg (Dan is in the background; on the left with his head turned away) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm056.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm056.jpg (Dan is on the left with the black shirt) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm055.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm055.jpg (Dan is the one scratching his back) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm086.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm086.jpg (Dan is on the right, at least I think it's him) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm101.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm101.jpg (Dan is on the left) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm102.gif http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2167/rsm102.jpg (Dan is facing the camera) Dan may also be in the crowd in the images on this page, but I didn't check: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/5950/ Dan also moved into the realm of physical harrassment. He blocked my way when I was picketing (right in front of the police officer, but why should I complain while the True Face of Scientology is being given such favourable coverage?), and stopped me from proceeding down the sidewalk for about two minutes. He was fielded by Gerry Armstrong, and I was able to proceed. Later on, he snatched one of my flyers, and kept trying to do this. As I wandered back, the officer told me he'd talk to Dan. However, the off-duty officer didn't get to Dan first, P.C. Thompson (who was on foot patrol in the area, community policing stuff afaik) did. It went like this: Gerry Armstrong was on the sidwalk under the Org's awning, and a Scientologist told him to get off of Org property (or some such thing). (This dates back to last picket, when the cult tried to claim that their property extended out onto the sidewalk - it doesn't.) After Gerry said he wasn't on Org property, Dan shoved him in the chest, pushing him to the middle of the sidewalk. Thompson was right there, and told Dan to stop shoving people, and Gerry to stay out of the cult's doorway. As far as I can tell Gerry wasn't there, but naturally Thompson is there to keep everyone's peace. Right, Dan? Just chalk this one up as another example of Scientology sleaze. Over the course of the morning, Nan McLean (whoop!) and Gypsyblue showed up, as well as Witling and Miss Kitty. Nan is still made of steel, and refused all offers of a lighter sign, help across the road, etc. She passed out my Ron the Con Man/Human Cost leaflet, but naturally couldn't discuss the contents. Of course, we had our share of famed (um) local theta beings - Al Buttnor and Peter Ramsay. Ramsay hung around the barbershop street corner for a while at the start of the picket (across the road, I should have waved), and Buttnor didn't even come out to play. :-( Lunch turned out to be inside, despite the wonderful weather (the patio was full, and there were ten of us). We squeezed in, and compared notes on the picket. Turns out that Dan threatened to sue Gregg as well, big surprise. Gerry was having a great time, and it was neat to hear Gerry discussing his time in Scientology. Hey, Toronto Scientologists - Gerry was on the Apollo, the most Scientological environment in the world (self-contained and Hubbard-originated) - now who's had more experience in Scientology? The poor wait staff were rushed off their feet due to understaffing, but we still got out of there in time to get back. Dan and all the other morning handlers were gone, and the usual afternoon bunch took over, with one exception - Andy Hill was there, and he usually tag-teams with Dan in the morning. Andy Hill asked me how I'd been and what I'd been doing, for his report. I just said that he could put me down as evil and caved-in... Andy replied that I was silly (the gist of it, I forget the word he used), not evil. So does that mean I'm PTS, not SP? ;-) The strange lady (the one who kept going on about "how many children have you killed") was there too, and she started in on the line of the day (welfare). I was slow in taking out my tape recorder, and she declined to continue rather than be taped (theta repellent, heh - pity it didn't work on Dan). She did remark on how slow I was, but that's fine - plenty more tape for her later. A while into the afternoon, there was a flurry around the Org chapel - it was a wedding. I was wondering how the guests felt at having a wedding around the picket, and if whoever books the chapel had told the wedding party that there would be a picket on October 16th? Thing is, I faxed the Org with all our picket dates, and then hand-delivered a copy to the Hubbard Dianetics Foundation. So, the Org knew there would be a picket. And unless the wedding date was booked more than six months in advance, the cult apparently doesn't mind having a wedding near our picket. Shows how dangerous the cult really considers us, doesn't it? Food for thought... And, about this time in the afternoon is when I committed my worst error in judgement since I started picketing. Mike Argue was engaged in a heated argument with some Scientologist, and had used more than a few sexual obscenities. To my discredit, I only addressed the individual incidents, and not the pattern of behaviour - I should have picked up on this earlier. Nan pointed out to me that this was not the message to be sending to passers-by about the picket, and I concurred. I should, however, have clued in to this earlier. (Also, as Gregg has pointed out in a separate post, Mike's behaviour contravened the picket advisory.) So, we wandered over to Mike and beckoned him beside the Org. The police officer asked where we were going, and Andy Hill said that we were going to picket the wedding. I said no, we were just going over by the newspaper boxes. The police officer queried that we'd stay away from the wedding, and pointed out that it would be over the line (way over, in my opinion). I said yes, it would be, and would the officer like some kind of dividing line that picketers wouldn't cross? I also pointed out that we picketed places of business, not weddings. That sorted out, Nan and me explained to Mike just how obnoxious his behaviour was, and that he should stop. As an audience, we had Andy Hill, another Scientologist, and the officer. We discussed the impression it gave, and how inappropriate the behaviour was. Mike agreed, and we all went back to picketing. Unfortunately, Mike did it again. >-| I pulled him aside, and we had another discussion, where I emphasized that the behaviour was inappropriate, among other things, and didn't say anything about the cult to boot. From then on, I'm pretty sure he quit doing that, but I'll keep my eye on this situation... If he keeps doing it, he can go do it on his own time not on picket time, as far as I'm concerned. Another oddity came out of this - after the first discussion with Mike, Andy Hill told me that I had scruples, which is something I never expected to hear from a Scientologist. He also mentioned that when in a group effort, you have to respect the group mores (my rendition of his words) - which pretty much sums it up. The afternoon wore on, and some of the picketers had to go. The Scientologists eased up on the pestering of critics as far as I could see, which usually happens in the afternoon. Gerry Armstrong fell into an interesting discussion with a nice (if not the nicest) Toronto Scientologist, rebutting her arguments (every one, as far as I could tell) with something on the lines of "no, that's not how Scientology does things, in Scientology..." etc. (my rendition of what he was saying). The Scientologist on the camera asked (rather sourly) why we weren't knocking off early. I answered that we hadn't run out of leaflets this time, and only stopped early during previous pickets for having run out of leaflets. Five o'clock came, and after much herding of cats and a farewell to the off-duty officer, I managed to persuade everybody over to the other side of the road in a reasonably group-like mass and into the Duke of Gloucester. Inside, Gerry and Mike discussed how they felt about auditing the OT levels, and their realization that the whole thing was a pile of crap. This was quite the experience for me - it's one thing to read OT3 and see that you're supposed to talk to your "spirit fleas", it's quite another to see an otherwise normal person, with a straight face, describe how they talked to their body thetans. I now have no problem understanding how people wig out on this stuff. While we were in the Duke, guess who stayed outside? Peter Ramsay, who showed up near the end of the picket to watch again, stayed by the Org waiting while we were inside. Gregg theorized that he could see the back of Gregg's head (Gregg was sitting with his back to the window), so hung around to see when we'd leave. When we did leave (7:15 or so, long chat), Ramsay started following us, at least until Gorilla readied his camera. With the PR Flap Camera ready to record his very theta behaviour, Ramsay stopped following us. With that, another successful picket wound to an end. In fact, if we exclude the cult making trouble, this was one of the better pickets in Toronto. All it lacked was a record-setting leafletting. :-) Vignettes and comments: Peter Ramsay. Apparently when he was younger (around my age, maybe) he was dapper, handsome, and apparently pretty wealthy. Now, after more than twenty years in Scientology he's run down, used up, and certainly not wealthy. What a waste of human potential... Gerry Armstrong. For some reason, I thought he'd be more terrifying. I mean, the cult shills on alt.religion.scientology keep after him quite a bit, so he must be quite suppressive, right? Um, nope. I'd be more terrified of Woozel, the toy dog owned by Stacy Brooks' mother. Sorry, Gerry... ;-) Maybe a bit of detente at the next picket... I arranged with a local Scientologist that to ward of the Freezing Police Officer syndrome, the picketers and Scientologists would alternate buying the officer warm coffee, so that the officer doesn't freeze their buns off in the Canadian winter. Also, in case I forget to mention it, someone remind me to tell the police officer at the next picket that we don't consider it a breach of police neutrality to warm up in the Org occasionally... While I was on a chocolate break, reading the posters in the windows of the HDF, a Scientologist started snapping pictures of me, so that I didn't notice. Strange, because the click of her camera shutter was pretty obvious. After the second picture I marched over to her, and in a voice loud enough for the officer to hear, said "Lady! If you're going to take my picture, you could at least give me enough warning to smile!" Got a laugh from the officer, and the Thetan Evil Eye from the Scientologist. During another chocolate break, I was perusing the bookshelves inside the HDF (through the window), and Mario the HDF Missionholder snatched a clipboard away from just beside me. I hadn't actually noticed the clipboard, but he seemed pretty agitated... I wonder what it was? Hard-sell checklist? Play nice, cult... Remember your criminal precedents. The next picket is November 20th, as archived here: http://www.total.net/~wulfen/scn/picket.htm ...and we hope that you guys can behave better next time. Less of the intimidation, ok? You watch your behaviour and we'll watch ours. (*cough* Argue *cough*) --------------------------------------------- http://www.total.net/~wulfen/scn/ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8412/ -- Science is a method, not an ideology. -- ======== Subject: Re: Toronto Picket Report 16 Oct 1999 From: wulfen@NOSPAMtotal.net (Wulfen - www.total.net/~wulfen/scn/) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:00:50 GMT Message-ID: <380bf649.19685187@news2.lightlink.com> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:38:56 GMT, "Andy Hill" wrote: >Humor and Pathos on the Picket Line 16/10/99 As in we're funny, you're pathetic. ;-p >I arrived in the afternoon today so I missed the >morning antics, although I heard that Danny had >Hagglund frothing at the mouth again, despite >Gregg's decision not to be so confrontational. >Gregg was pretty subdued while I was there in the >afternoon. Maybe he realized what an ass he makes >of himself, but I doubt it. I'd froth if someone compared himself to a Holocaust-era Jew, and by implication me to a Nazi. On the scale of despicable things to say, that's pretty close to -40.0, and Dan got right down there. On the other hand, Dan was doing some pretty good frothing and other stuff of his own. I mean, intimidation *and* threats of lawsuits *and* shoving Gerry Armstrong *and* getting in all our faces... One wonders if he's like this outside of the Scientology context. I'd be willing to say he isn't. >I'd heard Gerry Armstrong was at the picket (he's >in Canada now due to some self created legal >problems in the US) and I went out to see if I >could spot him. I went up to a picketer I didn't >recognize who was the only one there wearing a >suit, but it turned out to be Don from infocult. >He calls himself Whitley. He had a girl with him >who wouldn't give her name, and who assured me >she'd thoroughly looked into both sides but had >never read a Scientology book because she >"wouldn't read that crap" (or some such >statement). No bias there! Why should she read a book when she can just read the legal decisions and judges' quotes which discuss your sleazy cult? >Anyway, Don pointed out Gerry Armstrong, who >turned out to be an unkempt, unshaven, seedy >little character with a really big chip on his >shoulder. I confess to a little disappointment >here. I'd heard of this guy in the eighties and >how he had plotted to "bring down Scientology" and >had somehow got the impression he was a "major >player", and here was this broken-down little man >who couldn't take any responsibility for the mess >he'd made of his life. He fit right in with the >rest of the picketers. Oh well... Mess he'd made of his life? That's an odd thing to say. He seems fine to me. Not as scary as Scientology makes him out to be, though. >I tried to talk to Chris Wood, but he was sullen >and withdrawn. Alan Barclay stayed on the other >side of the street; he seems to be in hiding. Sullen? Withdrawn? Maybe for you... What on Teegeack makes you think that I want to share details of my life with a Scientologist, knowing that your KR will cross Al Buttnor's desk, most likely? >Mike Argue couldn't restrain himself from being >obscene, to the point where Nan McLean and Chris >Wood couldn't take it any more and pulled him >aside to try to handle him. The officer on duty >sped over to keep them away from the wedding that >was going on in the chapel, but Chris assured him >that weddings were sacrosanct, and they just >wanted to have a talk with Mike. Actually, it was you who shouted out that we were going to picket the wedding. Why would you do that, when you know there's been weddings at the Org before at pickets, and we've stayed away? Did you just want to get the officer to hassle us or something? Enquiring minds wanna know... >They went into a little huddle, which I joined, >and tried to get Mike to agree not to use words >like "blowjob" and "suck me". Mike did agree, >reluctantly, and it was a full 10 seconds before >he made an indecent proposal to a lady on the >street. To be fair, Mike did chill out later and >spent close to an hour explaining the various >mental/spiritual practices he's involved in. Whew! And hopefully he'll stay chilled. Please tell me if he doesn't, and I'll deal with it or get the cop to do so. >The common denominator of all these sad little >characters seems to be that they have elected >Scientology as "the big evil" in their lives, >despite the fact (and many of them know it) that >Scientologists are well intentioned people who >work hard to improve conditions for themselves and >others. They need to look a little closer to home >for what's ruining their lives. It's not >Scientology. No, nothing's ruining my life. In fact, the older I get, the better life is. Scientology is the small, niggling evil. At some level, I'm just practicing on it in preparation for "the big evil". On the other hand, Scientology has enough small evil to make up a big evil, if a rather tawdry and cheap big evil. And while we're on the topic... Have you noticed that we're picketing the corporation, not individual Scientologists? There's a vast gulf between the good will of most individual Scientologists and the perfidy the corporation and its officers and agents are capable of. >Andy Hill > >Thanks, >Andy Forgot your latest Dejanews login and pw? That Clear memory is fading fast... Or it could be that you're just getting old and senile. ;-p --------------------------------------------- http://www.total.net/~wulfen/scn/ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8412/ -- Science is a method, not an ideology. --